EV (electric vehicle) car fires are practically IMPOSSIBLE to put out, suckers

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Firefighter Rants About EV Car Fires: ‘We’re Fighting Against Fires that Can’t Be Put Out’​

Infowars.com
November 29th 2022, 2:11 pm

Link: https://www.infowars.com/posts/fire...-fighting-against-fires-that-cant-be-put-out/

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'Some of them had to be submerged in water for up to 30 days to actually put them out.'

Electric vehicle fires are a firefighter’s worst nightmare, a first responder explains in a new YouTube upload.

Detailing how EV fires are extremely difficult to extinguish – and can re-ignite despite being put out – the Fire Department Chronicles YouTube channel claims new fire extinguisher technology specifically made for EV fires are a good idea.

“The average car fire burns around 1,500 degrees or so. It takes about a thousand gallons to put out on a bad car fire,” the content creator explains.

Meanwhile, “Electric car fires are burning upwards of 5,000 degrees and can take up to 40,000 gallons of water to put out.”

“In fact,” he adds, “some of them had to have been submerged in water for up to 30 days to actually put them out and sometimes self-igniting up to three times before they’re extinguished forever.”

“So whatever the hell they’re gonna give us man we’ll take it, because we’re literally fighting against fires that can’t be put out.”

The man’s commentary comes as fire departments across the nation are facing similar problems with more EVs hitting the road.

One solution employed by the Lebanon Fire Department in Pennsylvania is the Rosenbauer Battery Extinguishing System Technology (BEST), which uses a compressed air tool to penetrate electric vehicles’ high-voltage lithium-ion battery cells and flushes them with water to control temperatures.

Last month, electric vehicles in parts of Florida that were flooded by Hurricane Ian spontaneously caught fire as their batteries corroded.

It takes special training and understanding of EVs to ensure these fires are put out quickly and safely. Thanks to @NCFRPio for their hard work. #Hurricanelan pic.twitter.com/oN0RvQTG2U
— Jimmy Patronis (@JimmyPatronis) October 6, 2022

Back in August, Infowars also reported on a Jaguar EV that caught fire inside a Florida man’s garage following a short drive, nearly destroying the man’s home.

Another EV fire… this one from Florida earlier this summer. A Jaguar i-pace was parked in an attached garage when the owner heard "popping" sounds and saw smoke puffing from the car. The car was moved outside before it burst into flames. I guess you can call them "lucky". pic.twitter.com/JUOwthCSb4
— Old Brass (@StoichioGuy) August 2, 2022

As more people are duped by the EV craze, the vehicles are quickly proving to be more trouble than they’re worth.
 

Exploding E-Bikes: Lithium Battery Fires Spread In New York And California​

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, JUL 28, 2023 - 06:00 PM
Authored by Naveen Athrappully via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

Link: https://www.zerohedge.com/technolog...battery-fires-spread-new-york-and-california/


Lithium-ion batteries have sparked hundreds of fires across New York and San Francisco this year, injuring dozens and resulting in the death of a few individuals, triggering worries about ongoing public safety.
In New York, “fires caused by Lithium-ion batteries have grown exponentially every year since 2021,” Fire Commissioner Laura Kavanagh said on Friday during a public safety briefing. “We are now, unfortunately, seeing more and more of these kinds of extremely fast-moving, very powerful fires with some regularity in the city. As of this week, there have been 131 fires, 76 injuries, and 13 deaths caused by these Lithium-ion batteries.”
This is a significant jump from 2021 when there were 79 injuries and four deaths from such fires. In 2022
, there were 142 injuries and six deaths. The 2023 death toll has already exceeded the past two years combined with roughly five months remaining in the year.
Multiple lithium-ion battery fires have made it to the headlines this year. On Jan. 20, a 63-year-old man was killed and 10 more injured after a fire from a charging e-bike spread through a home in Queens.
In April, a teenager and a 7-year-old child died in a home, also in Queens, due to a fire that erupted from an e-bike. And on May 7, four people died from a lithium battery fire that blazed through an apartment building in Upper Manhattan.
Lithium fires are also becoming a problem in San Francisco, California. On Monday, two people had to jump out of an apartment in the Tenderloin neighborhood due to a fire believed to have been triggered by an overheated e-scooter battery—with one of them taken to a hospital suffering from serious injuries.
In an interview with The New York Times, Capt. Jonathan Baxter, a spokesperson for the San Francisco Fire Department, said that it was the 24th fire in the city this year that was linked to rechargeable batteries.
Since 2017, San Francisco has seen 202 battery fires which injured eight people and killed one. Of these, 58 fires broke out in 2022, up from just 13 in 2017.
“We’re not seeing it to that same degree here in San Francisco,” Baxter said while referring to the surging lithium fire incidents in New York. “However, one fire is one too many.”

Lithium Fires in New York​

Multiple reasons are cited for the surge in lithium fire incidents. Some point to hazardous charging practices like the use of mismatched equipment to charge the devices and overcharging as a problem. Using damaged or refurbished batteries can also pose issues. Others blame a lack of proper safety testing and regulation.
Though lithium-ion batteries are also used in cellphones and computers, e-mobility devices pose a bigger threat as their lithium batteries tend to be larger and more susceptible to wear and tear.
Cheap e-bikes became popular in New York during the COVID-19 pandemic when public transit was affected and orders for food deliveries surged. People who buy e-bikes usually charge these vehicles inside apartments, posing a significant risk to the residents.
The situation has gotten so worse that some landlords in New York have banned e-bikes and other e-mobility devices.
In a March 20 press release, the City of New York admitted that “fires caused by batteries that power e-micromobility devices are a significant problem in New York City … These fires are particularly severe and difficult to extinguish, spreading quickly and producing noxious fumes.”
Even as NYC Mayor Eric Adams promotes e-bikes as a “convenient transportation” option for New Yorkers, he admitted that faulty and illegal devices are making their way into homes and streets, triggering fires and “putting lives at risk.”
Lithium-ion batteries are also used in industrial settings. However, these setups are heavily regulated and subject to professional supervision. This is not the case with smaller lithium batteries used in e-bikes and other devices. Customers tend to usually not have much of an understanding of the fire risks posed by such batteries.

Dealing With Lithium Battery Fires​

To deal with the problem of lithium battery fires, the Fire Department of the City of New York (FDNY) is recommending that citizens only buy lithium battery devices certified by a nationally recognized testing laboratory like Underwriters Laboratory (UL).
When using batteries, the manufacturer’s charging and storage instructions must be adhered to. Batteries should be kept away from heat sources and anything flammable, and must be maintained at room temperature, it advises.
People should avoid using aftermarket or generic batteries. They should desist from overcharging and avoid leaving the batteries charging overnight. When charging, the battery should be away from a person’s bed, pillow, or couch. While charging e-bikes, FDNY advises people to never leave them unattended.
A bill enacted in March seeks to prohibit the sale, lease, or rental of e-bikes and other such mobility devices as well as their storage batteries in New York which fail to meet certain safety standards. The ban will come into effect in September, making New York the first American city to do so.
The bill insists that e-mobility devices must be certified by an accredited testing laboratory for compliance with UL standards 2849, 2272, or similar safety standards set by the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles in consultation with the fire department.
The first violation of this law would be met with a warning, but subsequent violations would carry civil penalties of up to $1,000 per violating device,” states the bill summary.
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EV Owners Waking up to the Nightmare of Massive Repair Bills​

December 4, 2023 8:43 am by CWR
via PJMEDIA

Link: https://citizenwatchreport.com/ev-owners-waking-up-to-the-nightmare-of-massive-repair-bills/

“Sticker shock” has taken on a whole new meaning when new electric vehicle owners get their first repair bill following a simple fender bender. The Wall Street Journal reports that a San Francisco resident got in a minor accident with his electric truck. He thought that repairs would be “a couple-thousand-dollar bill from the repair shop and to be without his truck for a couple of weeks.”
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Instead, the first-time EV owner was shocked to get a $22,000 bill for repairs that took 2 1/2 months.

The Biden administration has a goal to have 50% of all new cars on the road in 2030 be electric vehicles. That’s about 48 million cars and trucks. Owners are going to need chargers on the road, mechanics to service them, and parts to repair their vehicles.

None of those things exist in the numbers necessary for a smooth transition to EVs.

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As far as repairs go, they may be more expensive than gas-powered cars, but the upkeep of EVs is only a fraction of what a driver pays for maintaining a conventional vehicle. But insurance is much higher and parts are twice as expensive as gasoline cars.
Altogether, you probably come out a little ahead with an EV as far as operating costs. But is the rest of it worth it?
When these vehicles do get into a crash, repairs can be more complex for many reasons. The bodies can be more complicated to disassemble, and the repairs tend to require more steps and precautions, Fredman said.
Vehicles containing lithium-ion batteries also require special storage consideration because of the risk of fire when they are damaged, said Scott Benavidez, chairman of the trade group Automotive Service Association and owner of a collision repair business in New Mexico. Those precautions add both time and cost to the repair process, he added.

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Let the Market, Not Government, Decide the Fate of EVs
 

The EV Scam Is Collapsing​

December 27, 2023 6:37 pm by CWR
by Chris Black

Link: https://citizenwatchreport.com/the-ev-scam-is-collapsing/

When you own an EV, likely you will be stuck with it for life, unable to sell it when the battery is shot; your choice is to pay a huge fee tor battery disposal or pay thousands of dollars for a brand new battery.
The Technocrat Holy Grail of Smart Grid and control over energy will eventually go up in smoke.

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China’s Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities

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Every EV company stops producing batteries after seven years based on release year.

If you bought an EV made in 2015, then 2022 is the latest you could get a battery for it, and between models they are incompatible.
After that you have to buy rebuilt batteries made from batches of used batteries which is an even bigger meme.
 

Hertz Dumping Tens Of Thousands Of Electric Vehicles, Replacing Them With Gas Vehicles​

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Link: http://www.mr-mehra.com/2024/01/hertz-dumping-tens-of-thousands-of.html

Hertz, one of the largest rental car companies in the U.S., is dumping tens of thousands of electric vehicles from its fleet, citing low demand and high repair costs.
“The dramatic about-face, after Hertz announced plans in 2021 to buy 100,000 Tesla Inc. vehicles, underscores the waning demand for all-electric cars in the US,” Bloomberg News reported. “EV sales growth slowed sharply over the course of 2023, rising just 1.3% in the final quarter as consumers were put off by high costs and interest rates.”

U.S. consumers have had serious concerns about the electric vehicle market ranging from the price of the vehicles and the serious lack of charging stations throughout the U.S. to electric vehicles experiencing dramatic losses in their driving range during weather conditions that feature extreme cold or heat.
“The elevated costs associated with EVs persisted,” Hertz Chief Executive Officer Stephen Scherr said. “Efforts to wrestle it down proved to be more challenging.”
The company hopes that its decision to sell off 20,000+ electric vehicles better balances “supply against expected demand of EVs,” it said in a regulatory filing.
Morgan Stanley analysts said told Reuters that Hertz’s move should be a warning to the entire auto industry about the reality of the electric vehicle market, that they are not that popular and expectations for their growth need to be significantly reduced.
The news comes after nearly 4,000 auto dealers across the U.S. said in a letter to President Joe Biden late last year that his push to make two out of every three new cars sold by 2032 electric was highly unrealistic.
While there were good options for people wishing to buy electric vehicles, “the reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs [Battery Electric Vehicle] arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots.”
The dealerships said they’ve seen a drastic shift in demand for electric vehicles in just the last year and that they are arriving on their lots faster than they can be sold despite “deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives,” the letter said.
“Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us,” it continued. “Some customers are in the market for electric vehicles, and we are thrilled to sell them. But the majority of customers are simply not ready to make the change.”
 
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